To Trade or Not to Trade

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"A little help here might be nice, Omar"

"A little help here might be nice, Omar"

After watching the Mets get completely overmatched and outclassed this past weekend by the Yankees, the talk around these parts today focused on the question….what now? There seems to be differing opinions mainly coming from the camps of the paying customer opposed by the actual Met management. From what I’ve seen and heard, the rabid NY media dogs are somewhere in between.

I’m gonna outline the two possible paths available to this morbidly wounded shell of a major league team. Predictably the majority of fans I’ve talked to and heard on the radio waves in the past few days want action from Omar Minaya and crew and they want it now! They see the difficult schedule ahead the next few weeks, a Phillies team that seems to be righting the ship with their MVP candidate Raul Ibanez on the mend, and the Braves and Marlins playing decent baseball. Essentially they see the very real possibility of the season slipping away in the next few weeks. With the lineup they are throwing out there on a daily basis lately and with huge question marks about when, and in some cases, if Beltran, Delgado, Reyes and Maine are going to be able to contribute in time to make a run, I can’t say I blame Mets fans for painting such a dire picture.

Interestingly Jerry Manuel seems to be in the camp of the Mets faithful, as evidence by his comments before Sunday night’s Subway Series finale.

“”If we get below [.500] and we continue to struggle offensively as we are, I think that’s a no-brainer. I think we have to visit [the idea of getting a bat]. I think that has to be visited or talked about at some point. It would be dishonest if I said no, and I don’t like to deal that way.”

“There is no doubt that if a caliber of player was added to a team that it changes the morale of the team in my opinion. Even when we added Gary Sheffield, despite what we already had, that boosted the morale of the team.”

It is unusual that a manager publicly asks for reinforcements but I see this as a function of Manuel thinking he needs help, and fast, in order to possibly save his job. Politics be damned in this case. Its not like he isn’t speaking the truth, but you kind of hurt your GM’s bargaining power by openly signaling desperation.

The management faction clearly is taking a larger picture view of the incredibly bad string of injury misfortune that has befallen the Amazins’. They don’t want to make a knee-jerk reaction and trade for an Adam Dunn of Aubrey Huff at this point which would likely require them to surrender a decent prospect or two from an already depleted farm system. I know it is hard for fans to swallow, especially considering how much it costs to see a game these days, but maybe the best thing would be for management to stand pat and wait to see if their stars can return and help the Mets make a late season surge. Realistically though, this could just be playing itself out as one of those lost seasons franchises encounter every once in awhile due to injury or tragedy or other outside circumstances. Failure in a single season isn’t necessarily a portend of future futility. The Spurs losing David Robinson to injury which allowed them to get their hands on Tim Duncan the next year and the Celtics winning 24 games the season before trading for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen and winning the title the next year are a few examples from the NBA landscape.

As hard as it is for me to say this, I am siding with Omar Minaya and upper management here. Granted the trade deadline is more than a month away and the market of teams that will be buyers or sellers has yet to crystalize but to me, the Mets must not overreact. If this means finishing in 4th place in the N.L. East, so be it. With the late breaking news that Carlos Beltran went to Colorado to visit  microfracture surgery pioneer Dr. Richard Steadman for a second opinion on his ailing right knee, the forecast becomes even darker for the Mets. This could very well signal that we’ve seen the last of perhaps the Mets most important player for the rest of the season. I fear a long, summer full of losing baseball in Queens awaits us all.

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my reply to "i was being delisional" was really meant for "to trade or not to trade".
Sorry for the confusion.

I am torn.
While I would love to see this team excel and make the playoffs, they need too much to make that happen.
As it stands now, they are NOT 1 player away from making the postseason.
Their current lineup includes, at best, 2 players that could start for any other MLB team.
And the recent performances of FMart and Parnell are not helping things.
The biggest problems the team has are:
1) A miserable training staff.
Yes, Ray Ramirez has been around forever, but it is time to turn the page. There is no reason Reyes should have been allowed to play in LA and now they risk losing Beltran, perhaps FOREVER, because they misdiagnosed him
2) Better scouting. Our minor league system is not good. Our teams are generally in the bottom half of their divisions. If we drafted better and paid "above the slot" we too could get better faster and have something to trade.
3) Fire the hitting coach. Yes, it will devestate Wright that his hero HoJo is canned, but Mr Wright needs a kick in the pants.
And last but not least:
4) Omar must GO!
The current roster includes only 3 successful omar acquistions and if he couldnt see that a 40 yr old (give or take) 1b would break down, he needs to go away. And don't forget about the O-Dog debacle.
I await your responses.

Tacos...I am not adverse to the idea of getting Dunn. I just don't want to see the Mets get held up by a notoriously delusional Washington front office and have to surrender a Fernando Martinez or Bradley Holt. You are right to say that Dunn is undervalued, especially as an OBP guy. We all know what kind of power he possesses, but he is also a serious defensive liability. I guess at this point you could stick him at 1B regularly with the idea that it is unlikely Delgado is going to come back and contribute in enough time to make a difference. The only drawback I'd see is that Dunn has really never played in any meaningful, high-pressure baseball having toiled in Cincinnati for many years and now with the lowly Nats.

Maristke...Your view is well presented. The idea I agree with most is possibly making a move that won't represent a quick fix. Maybe there is an opportunity here to get a jump on shaping this team for future years. As far as Magglio goes, I am wary of a guy whose power production has fallen off so precipitously and who has a history of serious knee problems. Not to mention, he is 35 years old.

I think this team has already lost so many games due to injury this year that even if they don't blow those games this year that they did last year, it might not matter.

AG - What do you think it would take to land Adam Dunn? He's got a relatively cheap contract for a high OBP, big power guy. And he's definitely undervalued by the old school GMs. I wouldn't mind the Mets making a run at him and keeping him for the long term...

I hear what your saying and I respect your opinion but I could not disagree more. The New York Mets need to make a move and they need to make it now. I understand the Mets have 70 million on the DL right now but what you seem to be hinting at is a long term fix rather than short term. If and when the regular starters (Beltran, Reyes and Delgado) return there is absolutely no telling how they will play and to look up to them as the saviors would be foolish and overly optimistic. Two of these guys haven't seen a pitch in over a month so who knows how long it will be til they get their swings back. And we all know that Reyes cannot play the game at any speed less than 110%, if he returns a day too soon mark him out til the end of the year.

So what do I suggest? I think the Mets need is a short term fix with long term benefits. Simply because the Mets are looking in the middle of the year doesnt mean they can't make a big signing. Look at the Cardinals picking DeRosa who has the potential to be a long term player and a big time pick up for them. The Mets need a big acquisition like that that will fulfill their needs not just to give them a fix this year but to be part of their core for the future. At the end of this year we come to a cross roads with Delgado and Castillo. We already let Orlando Hudson go by the way side. Oh and did I mention that we only have one real professional level out fielder currently on the team? There is plenty reason to start looking now to patch up the holes in this teams line up that is going to need to be addressed sooner rather than later. I would like to see at least one person who has the potential to hit homeruns that may actually be under the age of 40. I know the players available are not too plentiful, but I would love to see the Mets make a big time move to pick up a bat to reassure the fans that they aren't rolling over and dying and that can be a part of this teams future for years to come. Maybe make a play for a Maglio Ordonez who has the power we are looking for and is clearly not happy where he is playing. I am tired of hearing we need to wait until next year. Last year we were watched the bullpen blow save after save and we stayed the course, its time to shake things up and show the Mets arent going to simply play the cards we were dealt, they are gonna take fate into their own hands.

As a side note I think Nick Evans should start at first base no matter if the pitcher is righty, lefty or kicking the ball to the plate. Murphy needs to grab some bench or to grab some more minor league experience because he cannot fulfill the teams needs at this point.

- An unsatisfied customer with an optimistic hope